#119 Goosebump-inducing Waves of Knowingness - Jonny Miller on grief, friendship, living abroad, founding a company, remote work, Rolf Potts, David Whyte, poetry, and finding work that matters.
· 3 min read
- 0:00 – Video Intro
- 0:46 – Introduction
- 1:38 – Was Jonny exceptionally curious as a child?
- 2:55 – “Remember, forget, remember”
- 4:33 – What happened in high school?
- 6:28 – The gap year
- 7:54 – The experiences that have opened Jonny’s imagination
- 9:34 – Going abroad and becoming scriptless
- 10:39 – Connecticut with Rolf Potts
- 13:11 – How Jonny and Paul got to know each other
- 15:41 – Paul on the phrase “The Pathless Path”
- 16:54 – The lessons from David Whyte
- 22:50 – Navigating grief
- 28:42 – Being against one’s old path vs softening into who you are
- 31:04 – The joy of doing silly things
- 33:41 – Courageous curiosity
- 35:47 – Breathwork and Jonny’s grounded curiosity
- 38:57 – What originally got Jonny into breathwork
- 41:11 – What is breathwork?
- 42:51 – Completing an experience from the past
- 45:56 – “The Body Keeps The Score”
- 48:13 – Is it common for a breathwork session to be joyful?
- 49:37 – Forgetting how to laugh as we grow up
- 51:05 – Rediscovering joy
- 54:40 – Jonny’s challenge for Paul
- 55:40 – Leaving the startup
- 1:00:42 – Being a part-time digital marketer
- 1:05:24 – Curious humans
- 1:06:47 – Jonny’s podcast
- 1:10:27 – Trial and error in Jonny’s and Paul’s lives
- 1:13:59 – Jonny on being offered the “Chief Joy and Wellbeing Officer” position
- 1:16:03 – Struggling to choose the way forward
- 1:19:25 – Looking back: alternative paths or inevitability
- 1:22:10 – Learning to trust
- 1:24:56 – Booking a flight in the middle of the pandemic
- 1:26:34 – Investing in serendipity
- 1:29:13 – The hustle traps
- 1:31:27 – Jonny on giving advice
- 1:33:35 – Why people taking unconventional paths aren’t necessarily brave
- 1:34:49 – Nervous System Mastery
- 1:38:13 – Receiving permission from the universe
- 1:40:17 – Jonny’s framework for Nervous System Mastery
- 1:43:26 – The “aha” moments in Jonny’s course
- 1:44:50 – Breathing exercises as programming tools for the body
- 1:49:23 – Living in different places
- 1:50:57 – Rapid fire questions with Jonny
- 1:52:57 – The sense of home
- 1:55:37 – Thanks and Goodbyes
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Jonny Miller is a dear friend and I’ve had the privilege to get to know him closely over the past four years on our own journeys. We’ve lived in Japan, Indonesia, and Mexico together. When we met we were both single but now are both married in cross-country relationships and have navigated finding work that matters, getting married, and living in foreign countries together.
This conversation was really special.
Links:
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My interview with Jonny on The Curious Humans podcast
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The Three Marriages (David Whyte)
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Jonny’s TEDx Talk on Grief----
