#170 Apprenticeships, Sabbaticals & "Good Work" — Steve Schlafman & Matt Yao on slowing down, deprogramming, unlearning, learning from others, deciding to quit, going on a sabbatical, not being jealous anymore, competitiveness and enoughness, finding good work, ambition, the apprenticeship, Downshift, decelerator, marriage, family and reframing money

0:00:00 – Intro
0:01:01 – Guests introduction
0:03:03 – The scripts that Steve grew up with
0:04:42 – The scripts that Matt grew up with
0:05:52 – Slowing down
0:08:12 – High output and why Steve doesn’t use it anymore
0:10:22 – Deprogramming and unlearning
0:12:46 – The cocoon stage
0:14:59 – Deciding to quit
0:19:18 – Learning from others on the path
0:21:28 – Kids on an unconventional path
0:26:15 – Trust
0:29:27 – Matt’s sabbatical, finding good work
0:35:23 – Not feeling jealous anymore
0:36:38 – Competitiveness vs enoughness
0:39:33 – Matt’s apprenticeship with Steve
0:48:45 – Putting yourself in a place where it’s easy to help you
0:52:44 – Downshifting & Ambition
1:03:20 – Marriage & Family
1:11:08 – Money, skiing and oatmeal
1:14:51 – Steve on reframing money
1:17:29 – Launching Downshift decelerator
1:21:40 – Where can we find Matt?
1:22:07 – Where can we find Steve?
1:22:25 – Closing remarks

Steve is a professional coach and the founder of Downshift — the world’s first decelerator. He has left a career in venture, but he remains ambitious, it’s just that his ambition is now to have a good, multidimentional life, where he can be a good dad for his kids.

Matt has left a traditional path early on to write, travel and discover his own path. When he met Steve, he offered him to become his apprentice and joined Downshift.

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