Matt Yao Interviews Me
· 2 min read
- 0:00:00 – Intro
- 0:01:01 – Guests introduction
- 0:03:03 – The scripts that Steve grew up with
- 0:04:42 – The scripts that Matt grew up with
- 0:05:52 – Slowing down
- 0:08:12 – High output and why Steve doesn’t use it anymore
- 0:10:22 – Deprogramming and unlearning
- 0:12:46 – The cocoon stage
- 0:14:59 – Deciding to quit
- 0:19:18 – Learning from others on the path
- 0:21:28 – Kids on an unconventional path
- 0:26:15 – Trust
- 0:29:27 – Matt’s sabbatical, finding good work
- 0:35:23 – Not feeling jealous anymore
- 0:36:38 – Competitiveness vs enoughness
- 0:39:33 – Matt’s apprenticeship with Steve
- 0:48:45 – Putting yourself in a place where it’s easy to help you
- 0:52:44 – Downshifting & Ambition
- 1:03:20 – Marriage & Family
- 1:11:08 – Money, skiing and oatmeal
- 1:14:51 – Steve on reframing money
- 1:17:29 – Launching Downshift decelerator
- 1:21:40 – Where can we find Matt?
- 1:22:07 – Where can we find Steve?
- 1:22:25 – Closing remarks
This was a fun episode. A friend, Matt Yao, reached out to see if he could interview me about my recent book, Good Work.
We first connected when he called me in the summer of 2022. He was in the middle of my book and knew he needed to quit his job.
Over the last few years, he’s been on a transformational journey, experimenting with writing, coaching, and several other side quests.
Hope you enjoy this conversation.
You can learn more about Matt here: Matt Yao
